Real Anonymized Customer Query Pattern
Quick answer: Do not accept “it does not exist.” Land does not vanish on paper — the recorded extent diverged from the ground at some identifiable point, and the trail is in the records. Two moves: (1) an RTI for the full historical record chain — the Sethwar / Khasra Pahani of 1954-55, the older Chesala pahanis, the annual pahanis to date, the village map, the tonch (survey) map, the Pot Kharab statement and the ECs — which shows when and why the extent changed; and (2) a sub-division / re-survey application to the District Surveyor to formally identify what exists and pin down the rest.
An RTI does not by itself restore the acres. It tells you the truth on paper — whether the missing extent went somewhere recoverable, or was a long-standing recording excess — which is exactly what you need to act, including a claim against the seller.
RTI Facts at a Glance
| Item | Detail |
|---|---|
| Government RTI fee | ₹10 (BPL applicants exempt) |
| Reply deadline | 30 days — Section 7(1), RTI Act 2005 |
| Copying charge | about ₹2 per page |
| If no/poor reply | First Appeal within 30 days — Section 19(1) |
| Final appeal | Second Appeal within 90 days to the Telangana State Information Commission — Section 19(3) |
| Where to file | PIO, O/o the Tahsildar / MRO and the District Surveyor (Survey & Land Records) |
Fee mode and exact copying charges can vary; the RTI itself is a ₹10 statutory application. Outcomes depend on the records available and the facts of each case.
Is This Your Situation?
- Your sale deed and pahani show one extent (e.g. 3.30 acres), but the ground measures less.
- The Mandal Surveyor measured a shortfall and told you the missing extent “does not exist.”
- Mutation is done and the records look clean — yet the acres are missing.
- You suspect part of the survey number is Pot Kharab, or was acquired, sub-divided or encroached.
- You paid for the full extent and want to know where the rest went, on the record.
What Most People Do — and Why It Fails
Faced with a shortfall, most people:
- Argue with the seller — who has the money and has moved on.
- Blame the neighbours for encroachment — without any proof.
- Visit the Mandal Surveyor again and again for the same verbal answer.
- Approach the village/revenue officers hoping for an explanation over the counter.
None of this works, because none of it checks the historical record — the only place the truth is actually written. Until you see how the extent moved year by year since 1954, you are arguing in the dark.
Where the Missing Acres Usually Go
An extent shortfall is almost never a mystery once the records are pulled. The common causes in Telangana:
- Pot Kharab included in the total. The recorded extent often includes Pot Kharab (uncultivable land — rocky patches, paths, tank-bed). “3.30 acres” may include Pot Kharab that the surveyor counts as non-cultivable, so usable land measures less. The pahani’s Kharab break-up and the tonch map reveal this.
- A sub-division never deducted. Part of the survey number was sold/partitioned, but your pahani kept the old full extent.
- Land acquisition. Part was taken for a road, nala, canal, tank or project; the pahani extent was never reduced.
- Assignment / alienation. Part was assigned (e.g. to landless poor) or alienated, but not deducted from your record.
- Historical recording excess. The extent was over-recorded in the original Sethwar/Khasra Pahani (1954-55) and carried forward for decades, though the ground was always less.
- Encroachment or an overlapping survey number. A neighbour occupies part, or two survey numbers overlap on the map.
The Questions Our Investigation Answers
Reading the historical record together answers the questions that decide your case:
- Did the survey number originally contain the full extent in 1954 — or was it always less?
- How much of it is Pot Kharab (uncultivable) counted within the total?
- Was any part acquired for a road, nala, canal or government project?
- Was there a sub-division, assignment or alienation never deducted from your record?
- Did the recorded extent shrink at some point in the pahani series — and when?
- Is the shortfall an encroachment, a map error, or an overlapping survey number?
Step 1 — RTI for the Full Historical Record Chain
This is the detective step, and it is what local surveyors and agents skip. The RTI seeks the entire textual and map history of the survey number: the Sethwar / Faisal Patti and the Khasra Pahani of 1954-55, the older Chesala pahanis, the annual pahanis (Adangal) year by year to date, the village map, the tonch (survey field) map, the Pot Kharab classification, any sub-division/FMB sketch, any land-acquisition award, and the ECs. Errors usually surface at record transitions — from the manual settlement records to the computerised records to the Dharani / Bhu Bharati portal — and the 1954 records are the foundational truth source against which every later record is checked. Laid side by side, they show the exact year the recorded extent stopped matching the ground, and why.
Step 2 — Sub-Division / Re-Survey by the District Surveyor
The second move is a formal sub-division / re-survey application to the District Surveyor (not the Mandal Surveyor’s informal measurement). Using the tonch map and the historical record, the District Surveyor identifies and demarcates what exists on the ground and reconciles it against the recorded extent — establishing on the record whether the missing extent is Pot Kharab, was acquired/assigned, is encroached, or was an old recording excess. Our legal team ties this application to the deed, the pahanis and the RTI findings.
What Changes Once the Records Are on the Table
| Before — only the ground measurement | After — the historical record by RTI |
|---|---|
| Confused about where the missing acres went | A year-by-year record showing when and where the extent diverged |
| “The rest does not exist” — a verbal dead end | Whether it is Pot Kharab, acquired, sub-divided, encroached or a recording excess — on paper |
| No documented basis to act | Certified records — the basis for a survey, a correction, or a claim against the seller |
| Stuck at the Mandal Surveyor’s word | Escalated to the District Surveyor with the full history |
Land Extent Verification — find where your missing acres went
This is more than one RTI. We assemble the complete historical record — Sethwar, pahanis from 1954, the Pot Kharab break-up, the tonch map, acquisition and sub-division history — read them together to find where the extent diverged, and draft the District-Surveyor survey application. From ₹399 for the RTI; a full verification is scoped to your case.
Trace my missing acres →A Real Example (In Progress)
This is a live FileMyRTI matter. A buyer of about 3.30 acres in a Vikarabad-district village found, on measurement, only about 2 acres — and even the Mandal Surveyor said the remaining 1.30 acres “does not exist,” though every pahani shows 3.30 acres. Rather than accept that, our team filed RTIs for the complete pahani record from 1954 to 2020, the village maps, the survey tonch map and the ECs, and advised a sub-division survey application to the District Surveyor to identify the land. The matter is currently in progress — the historical record is being traced to locate exactly where the extent diverged. (Anonymized; outcomes depend on the records and the facts of each case.)
The Exact RTI Our In-House Legal Team Drafts
Prepared by our in-house legal team and addressed to the PIO of the Tahsildar/MRO and the District Surveyor, this RTI asks only for records that already exist. You provide the survey number and your deed details; we identify the offices, draft and file it.
Full Sample RTI Application You Can Adapt
To,
The Public Information Officer,
O/o the Tahsildar / Mandal Revenue Officer (and the District Surveyor / Survey & Land Records),
[Mandal], [District], Telangana.
Subject: Information under the RTI Act, 2005 regarding the historical extent record and survey of my land showing a shortfall.
Under Section 6(1) of the RTI Act, 2005, I request the following in respect of land in Survey No. [____], [Village], [Mandal], recorded as [____] acres in my name under registered document No. [____] of [year]:
- Certified copies of the Sethwar / Faisal Patti and the Khasra Pahani of 1954-55, and the older Chesala pahanis, for the said survey number.
- Certified copies of the annual pahanis (Adangal) for the survey number from 1954 to date, showing the recorded extent year by year.
- The Pot Kharab classification and break-up for the survey number, and the cultivable vs Pot Kharab extent.
- The village map and the tonch (survey field) map / FMB for the survey number, and any sub-division sketch.
- Details of any land acquisition, assignment or alienation affecting the survey number, and the ECs; and the procedure to apply for a sub-division / re-survey by the District Surveyor.
I enclose the RTI fee of ₹10. If any information is held by another public authority, please transfer this application under Section 6(3) and inform me.
Yours faithfully,
[Name] · [Address] · [Phone] · [Date]
Prefer not to draft and chase it yourself? Our in-house legal team identifies the correct office, prepares this application precisely, files it, and tracks the reply.
Sample RTI Questions
- Please provide the 1954-55 Sethwar/Khasra Pahani, the older Chesala pahanis, and the annual pahanis to date for Survey No. [____], showing the recorded extent year by year.
- Please provide the Pot Kharab classification and the cultivable vs Kharab extent.
- Please provide the village map and the tonch map / FMB, and any sub-division sketch.
- Please provide details of any acquisition/assignment affecting the survey number, and the re-survey procedure.
What a Useful Reply Should Contain
A proper reply should give the historical pahanis (so the year of divergence is visible), the Pot Kharab break-up, the tonch map, and any acquisition/sub-division record. A reply that gives only the current pahani without the history or the Kharab break-up likely needs a First Appeal — the history is the whole point.
After You Get the Reply — What to Do Next
- Missing extent is Pot Kharab: your usable land is genuinely less; the record explains the gap and you can act accordingly (e.g. a claim against the seller for the shortfall).
- Acquired / sub-divided / assigned: pursue correction of your record, or compensation for the acquired part.
- Encroachment: pursue demarcation and removal with the survey on record.
- Recording excess: the shortfall is documented — the basis for a claim against the seller or a record correction.
- No reply in 30 days: First Appeal under Section 19(1), then Second Appeal to the Telangana State Information Commission.
Buying Land? Verify the Extent First
The cheapest time to catch a shortfall is before you pay. Most buyers never measure the land or check its history — they trust the current pahani and the sale deed. Before buying agricultural land in Telangana, get the historical pahani, the Pot Kharab break-up and the tonch map, and have the extent verified by a survey — not just the current record. The few buyers who verify the record against the ground avoid exactly this nightmare; the many who skip it discover the shortfall years later, when the seller is long gone.
Related Guides
Likely Public Authority
The RTI usually goes to the PIO of the Tahsildar/Mandal Revenue Office and the District Surveyor (Survey & Land Records); the RDO, the District Collectorate / CCLA and any acquiring authority may hold related records. Appeals are under the RTI Act, with the Telangana State Information Commission as the final appellate authority.
What RTI Can and Cannot Do
RTI can: get the full historical pahani chain, the Pot Kharab break-up, the tonch map, and any acquisition/sub-division record — so the cause of the shortfall is on paper. RTI cannot: by itself create acres that were lost, or run the survey — but it gives you the documented truth, which is the basis for a survey, a correction, a compensation claim, or a claim against the seller.
Common Questions
My land measures less than the pahani says. Can RTI help?
Yes — an RTI for the historical pahani chain (1954 onward), the Pot Kharab break-up and the tonch map shows where and when the extent diverged from the ground, within 30 days.
The surveyor says the missing land “does not exist.” Is it really gone?
Not necessarily — and even if the usable land is genuinely less, the records explain why (often Pot Kharab, an acquisition, a sub-division, or an old recording excess). You are entitled to that explanation on paper.
What is Pot Kharab and why does it matter?
Pot Kharab is the uncultivable part of a survey number (rocky land, paths, tank-bed) that is included in the total recorded extent. A “3.30 acre” record may include Pot Kharab, so usable land measures less. The pahani break-up reveals it.
Why pull records from 1954?
The 1954-55 Sethwar/Khasra Pahani is the foundational settlement record. Comparing it through the years — including the transitions to computerised records and Dharani — shows the exact point the extent changed.
Is this just one RTI, or a full investigation?
Usually more than one RTI. The value is in assembling the complete historical record (1954 to date), the Pot Kharab break-up and the maps, and reading them together. We scope a full extent-verification to your case.
Can I claim against the seller for the shortfall?
If the records establish you received less than you paid for, the documented shortfall is the basis for a claim. RTI gets you that proof; we can guide the next step.
Should I check the extent before buying land?
Yes — verify the historical record and a survey before you pay. It is the single check most buyers skip and the one that prevents this exact problem.
Records We Obtain to Trace the Missing Extent
- Sethwar / Faisal Patti (original settlement record)
- Khasra Pahani 1954-55 and older Chesala pahanis
- Annual pahanis (Adangal) 1954 to date
- Pot Kharab classification and break-up
- Village map and tonch (survey) map / FMB
- Sub-division / FMB sketches
- Land-acquisition / assignment records
- Encumbrance Certificates (ECs) and the mutation file
Keep ready: your registered sale deed, current pahani / 1-B / passbook, the surveyor’s measurement, the survey number, village and mandal, and the recorded vs measured extent.
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